Edinburgh Castle and Arthur's Seat


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A old 19th Century Castle of Edinburgh

illustration, I think I can use it. 

I better say Edinburgh Castle used to be known as Maiden's Castle, or rather Mayden Castle, this was the spelling in in the 16th Century, Indeed sources claim it had this name for centuries afore then. A source called Maiden Castle in Dorset, that Mayden spelling in the 1600s. Amazingly the reasoning of why the 

capital of Scotland's castle has that older name rarely mentions it's Dorset sister, but maybe there is a good reason for that, I don't know the language situation, was the Celtic of Edinburgh different to the Celtic of Dorset?  Anyway, thats a possibility of the Edinburgh name. I say, but it is better to listen to the even more learned experts on that I say.

Scottish - Welsh history links bonus

As a bonus, here are some Scottish Welsh history links, in the spirit of international friendship. and unity. Scotland and Wales also each have huge links with our friends in England, and Ireland, the Northern Irish and Republic of Ireland as well.  And all other countries as well, like the USA, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand,  and our EU friends, Germany, France, Spain, Italy Poland etc etc,  etc etc etc, and Russia and Norway etc. Plus the rest of the world, Africa, South America Asia, the Caribbean etc etc. 

* Scotland and Wales are both Celtic countries by virtue of their shared Celtic heritage, as in the language family. Both being countries, whose languages Gaelic and Pictish in Scotland, and Welsh in Wales, are descended from pre-Roman, pre Saxon invasions, Celtic languages. And so the people as well really. Though we each have had amount of migrations since then of course, nothing wrong with that. I myself have Scottish heritage with affects by immigration from other lands over the centuries, and the same for my Welsh heritage as well. 

* Both survived for longer than England, against the Romans, and longer against the Saxons, and Normans as well. 

* In the late 19th Century like the 1880s, Scotland and Wales were often bastions of the Liberals, against the Conservatives and in the 1970s, 1980s and early 1990s Scotland and Wales were bastions of Labour and the Lib Dems, in comparison to a more Conservative dominated England. (Though I have to admit this was not always so, some times the Conservatives or Unionist Party were strong in Scotland like the 1950s, though that was unusual it was normally Labour or Liberal plurality or majority, over the conservatives, and Wales was even more so most of the time). But both also proudly supplied a fair share of Tory ministers for their cabinets , not just for the Liberal and Labour regimes they had MPs for. 

* Both in the late 13th Century had a struggle against the King of England's army. Wales's princes in Gwynedd were conquered, while the larger territory of Scotland was able to beat the kings back. 

* Scotland's Robert III did receive a emissary or letter from Owain Glyndwr. Apparently Scotland allowed it's ships to attack English colonies, that were in North Wales, to support Glyndwr, but that was the limit.  Apparently Scotland even released propaganda that the then English king was a usurper, which helped Glyndwr's position. The king was a kind of usurper, so that was quite OK. (No offence to our English friends, I am just saying that we were in league with each other against cruel invasions, though 1 million percent the English are our pals as well now no doubt. 

* The Southern areas of Scotland in the Dark Ages still had a Cumbric. British, Welsh language as shown by so many Celtic names in Southern and Central Scotland, like Dumbarton, Fort of the Britons, or Dun Eidin, etc etc. See my Celtic cities page. These were taken into the orbit of the Scottish kingdom, really a Pictish kingdom. The Picts were likely just far north Britons, speaking a Brythonic language. As shown by Aberdeen, having that term, as in Aber, or the mouth of the River Dee. Whereas Inverness also means a mouth of a river, it the Ness, it from a Gaelic term. Indeed the fact Aberdeen has a river called the Dee, like Wales, with the River Dee, in North Wales, is from similar Celtic route names for these rivers. There are other Celtic names, and very Welsh style Cumbric names, like Eccelfechan, near Lockerbie, whose origins seem to come from a similar term to the Eccles, or Eglwys names from Celtic England and Wales, and the fechan is similar origin to Llanfairfechan. There are lots of Cumbric (A language of the Britons similar to Welsh) names in Scotland, especially Strathclyde's areas. 

* Indeed near to Edinburgh is Caerketton hill, a Brythonic name, and it has a hillfort called Caerketton. 345 metres or so above sea level, very roughly. It is to the south and very closeby.  

* Both Scotland and Wales have a place called Queensferry, the one in Wales in Flintshire, right in the North East, while the one in Scotland, also called South Queensferry just west of Edinburgh. Both places have substantial bridges aside them now, the Forth crossing and the Dee crossing. As of course both Wales and Scotland have a River Dee.

* There is also a point of Ayr, which is on the coast in North East Wales, the most northern point in mainland Wales, and a town of Ayr in West Scotland.

* Both Scotland and Wales have Irish Sea coastlines.

* Both Scotland and Wales have structures famed as borders with England, for Wales, Offa's Dyke, and for Scotland, Hadrian's Wall.

* Both The Scots and Welsh have ferries to Ireland.

* In 2021 the Scottish snooker open, normally hed in Scotland, was held in North Wales.

* You can see the Isles of Man from both on a very clear day, but only from some bits. You can very much more see North West England from both.

* There are far more connections of course between Scottish Gaelic with Irish Gaelic, than with Welsh, though there are Pictish and Cumbric Brythonic influences that affected the Scottish version, including a small amount of terms. Indeed also the Scots English dialect or language, has only a small amount of Gaelic, influencing it, and even smaller amount of other Pictish or Cumbric / Welsh influences. That famous fact of there being a counting system used by shepherds in Cumbria that used Cumbric, had some same ones in Scotland. Some Gaelic words were influenced by Cumbric or Pictish as well. But the biggest word of similarity between Scots English and Welsh, is how potato became potato in English, but became Tatws in Welsh and tatties in Scots English, not from a pre English origin as we only got the potato here in the time after Walter Raleigh and co, but nice that the words developed into similar terms in the Celtic lands. In Irish Gaelic it is prartai, very important to their national story, all that sadnness, to do with Ireland terrible famine long ago, and in Scots Gaelic buntata. 

* William Wallace may have been so named as of Wales Walis. This may be as he had Norman such heritage who had lived in Wales or as he was from a Scots Gaelic or Scots English family that had recently been speaking Northern British AKA Welsh. There are many a people called Wallace, and even Welsh in Scotland today. Even a SNP MP, was a Mr Welsh and a 17th Century covenanter, John Welsh. 8ust like how Ingis is a Scottish name. Its some kind of origin name blah blah. 

* Gwynedd was founded by a Northern British dynasty from Scotland, the Northern Britons. Many of their legends were kept alive in North Wales. Well that is the story anhow.

* Scotland won the rugby 6 nations for Wales in 2021 beating France in the last game, and Wales won for Scotland in 1999 beating England with a Neil Jenkins penalty. 

* Scottish aristocrats the Butes renovated Cardiff Castle, and Castell Coch, in the 19th Century. 

* Keir Hardie, Scottish Labour icon, was elected MP for West Ham, but also Merthyr in South Wales. 

* Scottish and Welsh PMs have led both countries, via the UK. Plus been major cabinet members. Such as Aneurin Bevan, and the NHS, and Gordon Brown the longest running chancellor in recent history to 2021 anyhow. Also Geoffrey Howe, Roy Jenkins, kind of Heseltine, and Home, to name  but a few, 

* There was a Welsh conservative MP, on the left of the party Keith Raffan, who from 1983 to 1992 was  tory MP, for the rest of the century after that it was Labour held seat, but he was also a Liberal Democrat Scottish MSP from 1999 to 2005. 

* Robert Owen, the famous social reformer, was a Welsh businessman, successful in England, who set up a utopian socialist factory and housing in Lanarkshire, Scotland in the early 19th century. 

* Both saw growth of nationalist movements Plaid Cymru and SNP from the 1960s, whose parties had began barely a decade apart in the 1920s and 1930s. Plus civic home rule movements from the mid and late 19th Century.  Plus a concurrent rise in the Gaelic and Welsh language's revivalism at that time as well, namely the .

* Both had devolution referenda in the late 1970s, which lost Scotland unfairly in a way, as there was a slight majority for. Both had devolution referenda in 1997, which voted for devolution and elected bodies for each land. 

* Scotland and Wales have been in the same union, via the union of the crowns, 1603,  the Act of Union between Scotland and England 1707, Britain's fight in World War Two, and World War One, (With allies)  and more, and our British membership of the European Union and EEC 1973- 2020, and United Nations and the fact we are all on one world, united in common humanity, citizen of the world style stuff. Plus membership of the Commonwealth, Council of the Isles, and Celtic League links. Plus the south of Scotland with Wales, was in the same Roman Empire, much earlier. Possibly they worked with each other, Gwynedd, and the Old North, in the Dark Ages as well.

* Scotland and Wales have played each other well over 100 times in men's rugby union and football. Even from the 19th Century and into 2021. (This article was written in 2021) 

* Many top Welsh players have won honours in the Scottish league, and many Scottish players in the Welsh league, or for Welsh teams in the English Football league, indeed Jock Stein played in Wales for a while, while Joe Ledley and more in Scotland. John Hartson won player of the year in Scotland in 2005, the only Welsh player up to now to, while Cardiff City's 1925 FA Cup winning side had 2 Scotsmen. Some Scotsmen playing for Welsh clubs in the Football League, have played for Scotland football, and some Welshmen playing for Scottish teams, for Wales. 

* Welsh League teams have even played in the football Scottish Challenge cup of in the 2010s. It is a Scottish 2nd, 3rd, 4th and even 5th tier cup competition. They had Connah's Quay, TNS (Based in Oswestry, just over the border, in England, but not far from the still quite Welsh speaking in the 19th Century, bit of Oswestry, which was in Engand, but just over the Offa's Dyke divide (Unlike the stadium, which is east of it), and connected with Welsh village Llansantffraid, )) and Bala, and even from the English league, Wrexham. 

In the late 1990s, with thy advent of professionalism in Rugby Union, to keep apace with the big professional teams from England, and France, then Scotland put Glasgow and Edinburgh in the cities and towns top tier of the Welsh Rugby league. As it was felt on their own there would not be enough money to have enough big teams. This lasted for 3 years before a Celtic league was established with Ireland's 4 provinces, and pretty soon a Welsh regional set up of a few super teams, and this saw the Celtic league  blossomed, with Welsh and Scottish and Irish teams winning. Also Italian and South African teams joined later. It is still going strong as a league in 2021. 

* In the post war era many Scottish doctors went to Wales. 

* Edinburgh and many Scottish cities are from Brythonic names, with some having other influences as well, like the Saxon influenced second half of the name. So like Cardiff with its more wholly Welsh Brythonic name. 

Anyway long live peace, internationalism, and friendship between the nations, but also the lands of Scotland and Wales and their neighbours. I am sure there are more links than what I have stated above but that is all I am stating. I am sure it could be easy to paint a story of division as well, as some like to do, but I like this proud of your nationality love of internationalism way forward. Its called progress.